Consequences I need ideas for Consequences!!!

theknowles 

My wife and I are going into our third month of being houseparents for teenage girls. The girls that we have range from ages 14-18 and can be quite difficult. Here where we are we use a level system to hold them accountable for their actions. To give you an example level one girls are not allowed to have any of their own belongings and are required to wear uniforms on all outings, as well as many other consequences. Whereas the other levels (2-4) are allowed certain privileges. Our level ones have recently started to revolt and not care what level they and have no motivation to move up to the next level, and they feel like they can do what they want when they want to. I need some ideas or consequences in dealing with them. Anyone have any interesting things that work.


Seamus 

We use a similar level system it seems, but our level 1 does not seem to be quite a strict and we don’t have uniforms. This is coming from someone who doesn’t work where you are and I don’t know how much you can change things in your own home and what you have to run by your director and get approval for. I sounds as though level 1 seems very suffocating. My director (and I agree with him) feels that a kid has to have a light at the end of the tunnel. I understand that at level 2 you get privileges, but to a teenager (especially if they have ADD/ADHD) it’s hard to see how to get there. If you have no instant rewards for good behavior and they have to wait a week or 2 before moving up to the nest level, then is it really worth it to them? One thing I have learned is that even though they may still be on level 1, if they do something very well, then they need to be rewarded for that. For example, one of my boys got bumped down to level one a few weeks ago, and had no TV, computer, iPod, stereo, etc. However, one day, he had done very well at school and come home and did his homework and I let him play a game on the computer for 10 minutes. It was only 10 minutes, but it wet his tongue and made him want more. Therefore, the next day he worked even harder. However, if he were to slack off just a little, NO WAY.

I’m not in your home, so I don’t know what all is going on, but if a kid feels as though they can’t do anything right or even if they do they don’t get anything for it, then why do the right thing, you know? After all, it is kinda funny to see the hp get upset and frustrated – and I already have nothing, so what’s the big deal.

I would attempt to begin giving a little back and really rewarding the good behaviors (stay up 10 min later than the rest of the girls that night, 5 min of TV, change out of uniform for the night, etc.)

These are just suggestions, but again, I don’t know your campus, director, or how exactly things are done there. I may be way out in left field for you, but it sounds like they need to see a light at the end of the tunnel.


Launchpad 

I totally agree with Seamus. It sounds like the girls need to get a little of something to keep them motivated and moving forward.

Hopefully your program and facility is flexible enough to find something that they are interested in achieving in the short term. As crazy as it sounds, some kids could care less about achieving a facilities’ pre-set goals. Especially if the kid never had any say in what it is they would like to achieve.

Personally I would be motivated to get to the next level to get all my stuff back, but for some kids they have a hard time actually seeing themselves achieving a goal beyond the end of the day, let alone next week. It can lead, for some, to a feeling of hopelessness. I think finding out what each individual girl would like to be rewarded with and setting short term goals for them to achieve may work.


theknowles 

I just want to say thanks for the information. We know why we are here and it is not to punish the girls, and sometimes you get caught up in do this. I am glad for the info and that fact that I have never thought about why they didn’t care but it makes sense seeing as how most of our girls do have add adhd. I will surely take this and run with it, as much as I can. We are in a really good program and they allow us to make a lot of the decisions about rules( of course we do have a set book of guidelines). Thanks again for the feedback.

“The Safest Place is in the Center of God’s Will”


Karing4Kids 

Sometimes we have to do something to give the kids hope. If they dig themselves a hole it can be hard to get out of. We have to let them smell a little bit of success from time to time. We have to dangle the carrot in front of them sometimes so they want to go for it. Who knows when it will be the time that they turn their life around and continue to want to be on a higher level.


Coach4HIM 

If you have one or some who are misbehaving find out what they like to do. When they are not on level have the others do what they like to do and do not allow them to participate. This might mean that one of the houseparents stay back. For example we had a girl who really liked this part and to go down trails we made sure that when she was not on level that we went to the park. Another idea is movies. You can have show a movie like on the weekend and have the ones who are not on level to set in another room etc.
-Coach4HIM


MomforLife 

I had two young men that did not ‘care’ about rising up thru the ranks. Life’s experiences for them had convinced them that it did no good to advance, because someone or something would always beat them back down. Nothing seemed to motivate them…UNTIL… we discovered their passion. Sometimes it is hard to see a child’s passion when they are conditioned to express nothing, but we were blessed. When we went the extra mile to provide an outlet for their passion (for one it was individual guitar lessons with a really good instructor), we found these two young men responding to us with real emotion (mostly positive). HOWEVER, we could not use these lessons as reward or consequences… that would have just shut the boys down again. For the one child – the lessons cost money, we worked with others to give him opportunities to earn his lessons. We had to use opportunities not connected to our house or regular chores, he worked for other people on the facility grounds. We kept the requirements very low, so that the boys could not fail. Within one month, the boys began to do better in school and at home, and we were able to build some relationship bonds that were healthy…it felt like a miracle.


 bradykim 

You just can’t keep giving negative consequences to these kids. Are you changing or modifying the behavior just giving out consequences. If one of your Natural children was in trouble you could give very harsh and long consequences and it would change their behavior. With the children we care for we can’t keep piling it on. They have to have hope. If we take privileges away they usually can earn some back. These kids have been through so much, it makes me laugh when I hear someone say they are going to break them. Most of my guys have been beaten, some with lamp cords and who know what else. Yet we think we can break them by taking stuff from them. Some people are motivated by the positive and some by the negative, you have to know what will work for each child. We use a chip system, some will cry if we take a chip some do no care, yet will respond when they earn chips. We made a modified family teaching model with the chips. Family teaching is 4 to 1 ratio positive to negative we used Family teaching in a DJJ home with teens most gang members, I thought it worked well and they teach don’t pile it on, give them a chance to earn something back. You also need the teaching part, they need to be taught correct behavior and rewarded when the do it.

Our Rad daughter was giving us problems we used love and logic all she had was a mattress on the floor. She said you did everything you can do I’m still going to do what I want. F YOU and walked out the door and we did not see her for weeks. That taught me that you need not only consequence but give positive reinforcement and bait them back.


webmaster 

Every person I have ever known to live by the break-em philosophy is now doing something else for a living. Though the so called breaking of a child may work for the very few, it won’t work for the vast majority of children in placement. They have already been broken by their situation and have learned ways to cope and deal with it. They have to be taught that adults can be dependable, caring and respectful, that not every situation is bad.

I’ll be the first to admit that this is a very hard thing to do. It’s hard to be caring a respectful when you are being cussed at, yelled at, spit on, or disrespected, but it has to be done. Our daughter that we raised in placement and that chose us as her parents, put us through test after test after test to see if we would stick around and continue to care. We did and now she calls us mom and dad. But even if she had never decided to make us her parents, but only learned to be a productive member of society and how to treat others, it is worth it.


Craig Bridges 

The other problem with the break them philosophy (control) is it is usually external and only works while when the kids are in the “break them” environment. It is a combination biblically of truth & grace. How does God deal with us? He tells us what or how we should do things, tells us the consequence of both obedience & disobedience, allows us to make a choice & experience the consequence of our choices. What I love is his blessings, mercy, & grace far outweigh the penalties. Also he is always there with open arms, willing to forgive & give us the support & love we need to get back on track.
We need negative consequences when raising our children but they should not be the focus. We should go out of our way to give grace, build relationships, find hot buttons (blessings) and have open arms. I don’t know about everyone else but I need Jesus because as the webmaster said it is hard when time and time again you are being disrespected, disobeyed and everything else. Thank you heavenly Father for your example on how to be a house parent.

Consequence for Cell Phone

sonshine_mom
Hi everyone! Was just wondering what a good consequence would be for an 18-year-old who snuck in a cell phone (cell phones are not allowed at our cottage). The biggest issue we have is that he lied to us about having one. I made him do a few extra chores but as far as a consequence for the lying, I feel there needs to be something more. What is you guys’s take on this?


Seamus
Well, our level system is based kind of on a “trust” idea. The more we feel that we can trust you – the more privileges and freedoms you will have. Bringing in a cell phone and then lying to me about it is not showing me that I can trust you. It would be a pretty serious issue in my house. I know that in many homes this might not be that big of deal or that uncommon, but based on my boys and my home it would be. I would probably check their bag everyday when they got home before they went to their room. They would be restricted in the privileges they have at the house because in my mind I cannot trust this kid to do the things that they are supposed to. Until they can prove to me that they are not going to lie and they have rebuilt that trust – I’m pulling in the reigns.


sonshine_mom
Same here—same here! Our system is based on trust, too. We don’t have a point system or anything like that. We try to model a home as close as we can. This boy in particular hates to write and I was reading the book, “Boundaries with Kids” by Dr. Cloud and Dr. Townsend (good Christian book, by the way), and I was reading the chapter on internalizing. My husband and I decided to come up with a good consequence that fit the crime but couldn’t think of any until I had read that chapter. This young man does not internalize mistakes he makes. So, we decided to have him write us a letter (he hates writing, by the way–only loves computer work). So, it had to be written out. We posed three questions to him that needed to be answered by the end of the weekend. These are the three questions and feel free to use them for other things if anyone wants to. I feel this makes kids think internally instead of just externally all of the time:

  1. What did it mean to you to lie to us; did it benefit you in any way?
  2. How do you think it made us feel that you lied?
  3. How does this behavior hurt you?

And you know, he came up with some pretty good answers that also revealed a lot about himself to us through this. He was using the cell phone to call his mom because it’s long distance for all of these kids to call their moms, so we can’t have them call their parents, but their parents are more than welcome to call anytime here they want to talk to their kids. They are also encouraged to write letters. I feel bad about the rule of not being able to call their parents if it’s long distance, but then again, I get upset that the parents don’t call their kids on a regular basis, too. It’s very frustrating.

Bully’s, thugs, etc… Got one of these?

Launchpad
Ok- I’m at a loss on this one.

We have a kid that is just downright mean towards others. He is small and a little awkward and definitely not the tough guy type, but he is constantly going after all the other kids. The bigger the better! He kicks, hits and screams when he gets a hold of another kid. Oddly- the other kids never hit back, even at school. 

I had the same issue once before at another facility. The other kids told me they thought he was crazy and bit “special” which is why they never retaliated. I suspect the same thing may be going on here.

This boy is in first grade. We work the point structure with him, but he really does not comprehend that points equal privileges.

Looking for anything that will help him to stop seeking death by peer relationships. He is currently doing about 50mg of Strattera a day. Any ideas?


momofmany
How does he feel when he gets the points? If it is negative, then you have to break the conflict cycle. Maybe the only way he knows to seek attention is negative behavior, and this could stem from before he came in your care. I would try rewarding positive behavior and see if that makes a difference. As young as he is, it will probably have to be really simple. If he can get through the morning, make it a small reward. Same for the afternoon. If he gets through the day, give me something bigger (a pack of skittles or M&Ms). It could also be that something from the past is triggering his behavior.

Good luck, I know it is not easy.


Launchpad
Good luck, I know it is not easy.

Thanks mom. The candy reward has really helped. Still having episodes but he is trying much harder to strive for the candy at the end of the day.

Great advice that seems to have hit the mark. 


bakergirl
Our 6 yr old can’t function on a level system. We do use a token system to earn allowance but that alone is not enough. We have had a similar problem although not to that extreme. We realized that he was getting physical from the sheer need of physical touch. Now we try to give him tons of hugs, sit close to read a book to him etc. That really brought down the aggression. It seems polar opposite of what he needs but they can’t tell you what they need, they just go from instinct. We also will take away whatever toy or privilege he is interested at the time. Bad behavior, lose a puzzle or basketball etc. We do use candy or dessert as an incentive to eat his meals. I’ve noticed with this young of an age, you have to change tactics. One day taking a puzzle won’t bother him, the next day its enough to bring out a good attitude the rest of the day. Good luck!

Boundaries for todays child in care

HP11thYearVeteran
Today’s child care is very different from years past. Some things set by state standards today though are just not right at all.

Here in Texas as the new standards have come into play there is really nothing that can be done to a child to stop his behavior unless he/she becomes violent or destroys too much property. As it stands currently if you have a child who decides one day I’m not doing anything I am suppose to do, even if they carry this out more than one day. You cannot do anything to change this behavior. If the child will not follow directions verbally your simply out of luck unless they actually become a danger to themselves or others.

Example: “I’m not going to school today” if they mean it well you are out of luck there is no danger involved and nothing can be done about it so the child gets a free day off, now while this child decides to stay home he may want to roam the campus, as long as he/she does not become a danger you can do nothing but keep an eye on them.
Yes this is really happening. As long as the child is no danger to themselves or others and is not damaging too much property, Houseparents you are out of luck especially if the child decides I don’t want to talk or listen.
This may sound ridiculous but it is true. Standards will not even allow you to escort a child with this behavior to another location.

Yes there is a major flaw in the system and yes there is potential for total chaos.
This part of today’s system needs to be addressed and a change needs to be made.

Administrators say we are now working better with children getting into their head and this will make the child better.
The system justifies it by saying we are empowering the children to make their own decisions, this is bologna, the system is overpowering the children, it allows them to do what they want, and does not make them responsible for their actions. We are not doing these children a true service to make them better citizens.

I am not at all saying we need to start spanking or restraining but I am saying something needs to change.

An early prediction: If things don’t change we better start paying more taxes for jails because these children will only find boundaries once the cuffs are placed on their wrists.

Whose children do you really think are in childcare? A majority of the children are in care because their parents didn’t have boundaries and still don’t. They either don’t want or cannot handle their children. The majority don’t try to better themselves, some continue to do jail time, or drugs, or other various illegal or immoral things. Rather than work towards making a home for their children.

It’s really sad that in houseparenting you can say there is job security, because that also means their will always be kids in care.

The bounds need to be set better for the children of today and the state needs to take notice of this if they truly care about the future of the kids of today.


Tuxedo

I also live in Texas, we have a young man now 16 who will not go to class during lunch. He takes all three lunches. The school however, is escorting him to all his classes, we now have the option to put him in a contained classroom for lunch. He is very easy going, does not disobey at home, always does as he is told and obeys rules, except school. We do have support however from the school.


CaringCouple
I find far more methods available to Teachers and Staff in the School System than those available to us in Childcare.

We work in a total “Hands Off” facility for example and cannot touch a child for any reason. But in the schools kids are regular “escorted” from place to place and restrained when necessary.

Coming to a “Hands Off” facility was at first something of concern especially since many of the kids that come into our care are from the streets and gangs of Los Angeles.

But for 8 months now there has not been a single incident where putting hands on one of these kids was necessary.

We also empower our kids in this program to make choices. However we also readily explain the reality of those choices and provide consequences to them when they make improper choices.

The behavior modification system we utilize in our Group Homes is Life Space Crisis Intervention. http://www.air.org/cecp/interact/authoronl…e/april98/1.htm

Even if you use other systems it never hurts to have additional tools at your disposal.